From mrmazda at earthlink.net Fri Aug 28 14:29:44 2026 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2026 10:29:44 -0400 Subject: [mc] on the ttys: alt-F4 vs alt-F6 mv & alt-F3 vs alt-f5 copy Message-ID: What controls which pair is applicable? Various installations of various distros have exhibited this here for years. Most often, it's the F3/F4 pair that works, so when the F5/F6 pair is encountered, it's annoying. How can I ensure it will only be one or the other across installations? The immediate instance is local host p5bse running Forky, where it's Alt-F5/Alt-F6 running mc in bash. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata From yury at shurup.com Fri Aug 28 14:53:20 2026 From: yury at shurup.com (Yury V. Zaytsev) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2026 16:53:20 +0200 Subject: [mc] on the ttys: alt-F4 vs alt-F6 mv & alt-F3 vs alt-f5 copy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: See this one and all related ones: https://github.com/MidnightCommander/mc/issues/4632 https://github.com/MidnightCommander/mc/issues/3254 It?s a terrible bottomless pit. > On Aug 28, 2026, at 16:29, Felix Miata via mc wrote: > > What controls which pair is applicable? Various installations of various distros > have exhibited this here for years. Most often, it's the F3/F4 pair that works, so > when the F5/F6 pair is encountered, it's annoying. How can I ensure it will only > be one or the other across installations? The immediate instance is local host > p5bse running Forky, where it's Alt-F5/Alt-F6 running mc in bash. > -- > Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, > based on faith, not based on science. > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata > -- > mc mailing list > mc at lists.midnight-commander.org > https://lists.midnight-commander.org/mailman/listinfo/mc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Aug 28 16:26:04 2026 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:26:04 +0200 Subject: [mc] on the ttys: alt-F4 vs alt-F6 mv & alt-F3 vs alt-f5 copy In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <20260828182604.4025b09b@gandalf.lan2> > It?s a terrible bottomless pit. wow Not that i really understand a thing about all this ?? but how about this, could mc installation contain its 'preferred keymap' or its specific override of the fuinction keys; and load this just only for the time that mc is used, in only that terminal or tty, not affecting any other windows and apps multitasking ? Also, i remember when i used the 'Learn Keys' dialog for the first time, i expected it to ask me things like 'what key is move, which is copy ....' with of course a default suggestion, but i could just have my own preferences about that; and maybe export and usde that profile then on different installations. Meaning, if i can do this then i won't need to bother what the keycodes actually are. I'd just configure my very own keyboard. This would be a completely new module of course but the existing one could be taken for a template. From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Aug 28 16:32:40 2026 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:32:40 +0200 Subject: [mc] on the ttys: alt-F4 vs alt-F6 mv & alt-F3 vs alt-f5 copy In-Reply-To: <20260828182604.4025b09b@gandalf.lan2> References:

<20260828182604.4025b09b@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20260828183240.7bee59b9@gandalf.lan2> > Meaning, if i can do this then i won't need to bother what the keycodes actually are. I'd just configure my very own keyboard. Oh i just realize its more or less the same as what its already doing, and would not solve the underlying issue of different libraries ... but, at least i could configure totally different keys for the main operations (without having to dive into configuration files), and hopefully unproblematic ones; avoiding the FN mess. Going a step further, if it was possible to have a set of function assignments that avoids any problem, then we could make it a default shipped with the installation, as an installation option (like 'Do you like to have the legacy key set or the revolutionary new key set ?), meaning, key assignments would become sets of 'profiles' which the user can chose. From yury at shurup.com Fri Aug 28 18:09:20 2026 From: yury at shurup.com (Yury V. Zaytsev) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:09:20 +0200 Subject: [mc] on the ttys: alt-F4 vs alt-F6 mv & alt-F3 vs alt-f5 copy In-Reply-To: <20260828183240.7bee59b9@gandalf.lan2> References:

<20260828182604.4025b09b@gandalf.lan2> <20260828183240.7bee59b9@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: All sane ideas in theory, but crazy in practice. The only meaningful thing that we can do is try to fix it. Egmont started working on that again, and again got discouraged. Maybe one day we?ll get back to it. Check the issues for more details. > On Aug 28, 2026, at 18:32, mi via mc wrote: > > >> Meaning, if i can do this then i won't need to bother what the keycodes actually are. I'd just configure my very own keyboard. > > Oh i just realize its more or less the same as what its already doing, and would not solve the underlying issue of different libraries ... but, at least i could configure totally different keys for the main operations (without having to dive into configuration files), and hopefully unproblematic ones; avoiding the FN mess. > > Going a step further, if it was possible to have a set of function assignments that avoids any problem, then we could make it a default shipped with the installation, as an installation option (like 'Do you like to have the legacy key set or the revolutionary new key set ?), meaning, key assignments would become sets of 'profiles' which the user can chose. > -- > mc mailing list > mc at lists.midnight-commander.org > https://lists.midnight-commander.org/mailman/listinfo/mc >