Mc Digest, Vol 67, Issue 20

[Merrill Jensen]

Hello,

I've been lurking in this mailing list for some time now and would like to 
proceed on some of this now.  Is this an acceptable means to introduce a 
question?  I really do not understand the mechanics of it, being new to 
mailing lists.

Again my first question is "how do I use this medium to post a question?" 
Thanks for your comment and cheers,
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>   1. Re: multiple configs (Yury V. Zaytsev)
>   2. Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
>      (Andrew Borodin)
>   3. Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
>      (Theodore Kilgore)
>   4. Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
>      (Yury V. Zaytsev)
>   5. Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
>      (Theodore Kilgore)
>   6. Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
>      (Yury V. Zaytsev)
>   7. Re: multiple configs, and --program-prefix (MK)
>   8. Re: multiple configs, and --program-prefix (Yury V. Zaytsev)
>   9. Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
>      (Theodore Kilgore)
>  10. Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
>      (Yury V. Zaytsev)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:44:11 +0100
> From: "Yury V. Zaytsev" <yury at shurup.com>
> To: MK <halfcountplus at intergate.com>
> Cc: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: multiple configs
> Message-ID: <1259498651.7347.4.camel at mypride>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 19:46 -0500, MK wrote:
>
>> I just have this feeling I would do a little less ctrl-t if they were,
>>  for example, different colors.  I might be wrong, but it's worth a
>>  try.  Also different listing modes might be useful.
>
> The only justification I would be convinced with is e.g. using different
> color schemes for mc's running from different user accounts (blue for
> main, red for root, green for limited users etc.), but this is already
> possible.
>
> Create a ticket with the justification on the trac if Rob's suggestion
> of using the HOME hack does not work for you, we shall see what the
> others have to say about this.
>
> -- 
> Sincerely yours,
> Yury V. Zaytsev
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:33:43 +0300
> From: Andrew Borodin <aborodin at vmail.ru>
> To: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
> Message-ID: <web-882845400 at box.vrn.ru>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=koi8-r
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> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:04:29 -0600 (CST) Theodore Kilgore wrote:
>> one feature which from my perspective is both useless and irritating,
>> especially since I became used to the opposite behavior for the
>> previous ten years of constant desktop use of MC.
>
> It's controversial issue. Something is useless for you, but that is
> useful for me. Previous ten years I used 2-step way to select all stuff
> in a directory: 1st step to select files and 2nd step to select
> directories. Now I can do that by one action.
>
>> If there is such an option, I have not succeeded in finding it.
>
> Since 11/18/2009 all options of "Select/Unselect group" dialog are
> saved in 'select_flags' ini option (see 
> http://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/1776).
>
> -- 
> Andrew
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:35:12 -0600 (CST)
> From: Theodore Kilgore <kilgota at banach.math.auburn.edu>
> To: Andrew Borodin <aborodin at vmail.ru>
> Cc: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
> Message-ID:
> <alpine.LNX.2.00.0911291202390.2017 at banach.math.auburn.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Andrew Borodin wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:04:29 -0600 (CST) Theodore Kilgore wrote:
>>> one feature which from my perspective is both useless and irritating,
>>> especially since I became used to the opposite behavior for the
>>> previous ten years of constant desktop use of MC.
>>
>> It's controversial issue. Something is useless for you, but that is
>> useful for me. Previous ten years I used 2-step way to select all stuff
>> in a directory: 1st step to select files and 2nd step to select
>> directories. Now I can do that by one action.
>
>
> Andrew,
>
> And now what I became accustomed to do with one action I have to do with
> two :(
>
> Most of the time, I want to deal with files, not with subdirectories. So
> from my point of view this is an irritating inconvenience. Worse. If I do
> not look twice, I ended up doing something that I really did not want to
> do, at all, and there may or may not be a way to undo it. Worst-case
> example:
>
> I intend to delete a bunch of files and not at all to delete recursively
> the subdirectories. So, based upon years of habit, I highlight the files
> in order to delete them with F8. Oops. I forgot. They changed the way it
> works. I don't know why, but they did. The subdirectories are gone, too!
>
> Luckily, I have not done this very often, and not to anything important.
> But the very idea that it _might_ happen is a recurring nightmare.
>
> I mentioned what I think is an apt comparison some time ago: We own two
> cars with control mechanisms for the windshield wipers and the headlights
> which operate in a dangerously opposite manner. Now, the two cars are made
> by two different manufacturers. And each has its own idea about how to
> design things. So that is their excuse. But we don't have one.
>
>
>
>>
>>> If there is such an option, I have not succeeded in finding it.
>>
>> Since 11/18/2009 all options of "Select/Unselect group" dialog are
>> saved in 'select_flags' ini option (see 
>> http://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/1776).
>
>
> Thanks for the reference. However, two questions:
>
> 1. Precisely to which version of the code does this patch pertain? I see
> there "4.70" and "4.70-pre4"
>
> 2. How will things be different after the patch, exactly? What happens
> right now is:
>
> First time I open MC and do a highlighting, it by default marks
> everything, including directories. Then I have to tick the box for Files
> only, and it gets remembered for the entire session. I mean, if I later on
> do a highlighting again, my previous choice is remembered, though not
> recorded anywhere that I can find.
>
> So from what I understand you have now made this more permanent by
> providing a tie-in to the ini file?
>
> If so, then that's great. We can all be happy.
>
> Theodore Kilgore
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:26:04 +0100
> From: "Yury V. Zaytsev" <yury at shurup.com>
> To: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
> Message-ID: <1259519164.28688.1.camel at mypride>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 12:35 -0600, Theodore Kilgore wrote:
>
>> So from what I understand you have now made this more permanent by
>> providing a tie-in to the ini file?
>>
>> If so, then that's great. We can all be happy.
>
> Yes, from now on you should be able to specify a default of your liking
> in the ini-file.
>
> -- 
> Sincerely yours,
> Yury V. Zaytsev
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:39:12 -0600 (CST)
> From: Theodore Kilgore <kilgota at banach.math.auburn.edu>
> To: "Yury V. Zaytsev" <yury at shurup.com>
> Cc: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
> Message-ID:
> <alpine.LNX.2.00.0911291323400.2068 at banach.math.auburn.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Yury V. Zaytsev wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 12:35 -0600, Theodore Kilgore wrote:
>>
>>> So from what I understand you have now made this more permanent by
>>> providing a tie-in to the ini file?
>>>
>>> If so, then that's great. We can all be happy.
>>
>> Yes, from now on you should be able to specify a default of your liking
>> in the ini-file.
>
>
> Yuri,
>
> Thanks. Now if someone can specify exactly which code version this is and
> exactly where to get it?
>
>
> Theodore Kilgore
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:34:57 +0100
> From: "Yury V. Zaytsev" <yury at shurup.com>
> To: Theodore Kilgore <kilgota at banach.math.auburn.edu>
> Cc: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
> Message-ID: <1259523297.28688.4.camel at mypride>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 13:39 -0600, Theodore Kilgore wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Now if someone can specify exactly which code version this is and
>> exactly where to get it?
>
> [Midnight-Commander]
> select_flags = ...
>
>
> /* selection flags */
> typedef enum {
>    SELECT_FILES_ONLY = 1 << 0,
>    SELECT_MATCH_CASE = 1 << 1,
>    SELECT_SHELL_PATTERNS = 1 << 2
> } select_flags_t;
>
>
> -- 
> Sincerely yours,
> Yury V. Zaytsev
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:03:42 -0500
> From: MK <halfcountplus at intergate.com>
> To: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: multiple configs, and --program-prefix
> Message-ID: <20091129150342.ddfd3386.halfcountplus at intergate.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> My problem w/ rob0's method is that, as Yuri points out, the subshell now 
> thinks ~ is something it is not, which for starters means copying or 
> symlinking .bashrc, etc.
>
> I could not find a configure option for this, so in the src/ directory of 
> the tarball I tried this:
>
> perl -pi -e's/\.mc/.mc2/g' *.*
>
> and then compiled normally and ran make, but not make install -- I just 
> renamed the executable "mc2" (nb. I do not use the internal editor!) and 
> copied into /usr/local/bin next to the original mc.
>
> I used the same source for both -- which brings up another question or 
> issue.  I was going to use the latest 4.7, configured --program-prefix=2, 
> but after the make, all the binaries still had the normal name.  Does 
> "make install" add the prefixes?  It does not appear to me from the 
> Makefile that it will, so I did not try.
>
> mc2 appears to run fine and it uses ~/.mc2 as it's config directory.  Yay! 
> I suppose it may take a few days to see if it will work out, but I don't 
> think there will be a problem.
>
> I think this would be a nice option and very easy to impliment as a 
> command line option -- I could write a patch for it myself, if that is 
> desired and allowed (who should I talk to?).
>
> -- 
> MK <halfcountplus at intergate.com>
> C/perl/web programmer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:16:07 +0100
> From: "Yury V. Zaytsev" <yury at shurup.com>
> To: MK <halfcountplus at intergate.com>
> Cc: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: multiple configs, and --program-prefix
> Message-ID: <1259525767.28688.7.camel at mypride>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 15:03 -0500, MK wrote:
>>
>> I could not find a configure option for this, so in the src/ directory of 
>> the tarball I tried this:
>
> CFLAGS='-DMC_USERCONF_DIR=\".mc2\"' is your friend.
>
>> I think this would be a nice option and very easy to impliment as a
>>  command line option -- I could write a patch for it myself, if that is
>>  desired and allowed (who should I talk to?).
>
> Join the discussion:
>
> http://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/1851
>
> -- 
> Sincerely yours,
> Yury V. Zaytsev
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:52:47 -0600 (CST)
> From: Theodore Kilgore <kilgota at banach.math.auburn.edu>
> To: "Yury V. Zaytsev" <yury at shurup.com>
> Cc: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
> Message-ID:
> <alpine.LNX.2.00.0911291516290.2189 at banach.math.auburn.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Yury V. Zaytsev wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 13:39 -0600, Theodore Kilgore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. Now if someone can specify exactly which code version this is 
>>> and
>>> exactly where to get it?
>>
>> [Midnight-Commander]
>> select_flags = ...
>>
>>
>> /* selection flags */
>> typedef enum {
>>    SELECT_FILES_ONLY = 1 << 0,
>>    SELECT_MATCH_CASE = 1 << 1,
>>    SELECT_SHELL_PATTERNS = 1 << 2
>> } select_flags_t;
>
> Yuri,
>
> Sorry, that is not exactly what I meant.  I meant where do I get it? Which
> version, precisely? An rc version? The main development tree? OK with me
> whichever one it is. Just point me in the right direction.
>
> The thing is, we all have to specialize. I am more or less a consumer of
> what you are producing, though, I hope, a somewnat informed one.
>
> OTOH, if you have a still camera or a webcam, or, perhaps occasionally
> some other piece of USB hardware, it is quite possible that you are using
> some of _my_ code in order to make it work. If so, then you probably are
> willing to consume without developing incurable urges to participate
> actively. And I totally understand.
>
> So, as I said, which version of the code do I go and get?
>
> To share with you one of my current concerns ought to put the matter in
> perspective. Does anyone on this list know someone who owns a Genius Smart
> 300 camera? The user who helped me develop the stillcam support a couple
> of years ago was a student in Zurich. He has apparently gone home to
> Yerevan, or otherwise departed for parts unknown. I have lost contact with
> him and I need to find someone else to test the kernel code which is
> supposed to make it work in webcam mode.
>
> Theodore Kilgore
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:47:14 +0100
> From: "Yury V. Zaytsev" <yury at shurup.com>
> To: mc at gnome.org
> Subject: Re: How to change the defaults for file highlighting?
> Message-ID: <1259531234.28688.19.camel at mypride>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 15:52 -0600, Theodore Kilgore wrote:
>
>> Sorry, that is not exactly what I meant.  I meant where do I get it? 
>> Which
>> version, precisely? An rc version? The main development tree? OK with me
>> whichever one it is. Just point me in the right direction.
>
> I guess it should be in -pre4 tarball already, but, of course, in latest
> master git branch as well.
>
>> The thing is, we all have to specialize. I am more or less a consumer of
>> what you are producing, though, I hope, a somewnat informed one.
>
> I am no better informed than you, I'm not a coder, but rather a
> packager. I've just searched the trac, git and the source code to gather
> this information for you.
>
> -- 
> Sincerely yours,
> Yury V. Zaytsev
>
>
>
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