From solarflow99 at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 18:19:09 2016 From: solarflow99 at gmail.com (solarflow99) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:19:09 -0700 Subject: small request Message-ID: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these default settings to be wrong. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egmont at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 20:45:40 2016 From: egmont at gmail.com (Egmont Koblinger) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:45:40 +0200 Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that slowly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or it would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert everything that I change just for a couple of seconds. What makes you think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think there's an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the "wrong". It's a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configurable. I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the default, and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value that's been the default in the last couple of years. cheers, egmont On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 wrote: > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html > > Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these > default settings to be wrong. > > > _______________________________________________ > mc-devel mailing list > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solarflow99 at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 20:53:17 2016 From: solarflow99 at gmail.com (solarflow99) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:53:17 -0700 Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't mean to save every change, its just other_dir never saves the last directory you were in. It always used to, thats why I felt the new behaviour was wrong. I find it really annoying to always lose the directory I was in, on the opposite panel, don't you? On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Koblinger wrote: > Hi, > > I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any > setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config > won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that > slowly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or > it would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert > everything that I change just for a couple of seconds. > > What makes you think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think there's > an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the "wrong". It's > a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configurable. > > I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the default, > and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value > that's been the default in the last couple of years. > > cheers, > egmont > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 > wrote: > >> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html >> >> Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these >> default settings to be wrong. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mc-devel mailing list >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egmont at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 20:56:05 2016 From: egmont at gmail.com (Egmont Koblinger) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:56:05 +0200 Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I don't :) but I get your point. So, to be sure... you're arguing that other_dir should be an exception and should always be saved, even if the other options aren't? cheers, egmont On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:53 PM, solarflow99 wrote: > I didn't mean to save every change, its just other_dir never saves the > last directory you were in. It always used to, thats why I felt the new > behaviour was wrong. I find it really annoying to always lose the > directory I was in, on the opposite panel, don't you? > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Koblinger > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any >> setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config >> won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that >> slowly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or >> it would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert >> everything that I change just for a couple of seconds. >> >> What makes you think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think >> there's an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the >> "wrong". It's a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configurable. >> >> I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the default, >> and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value >> that's been the default in the last couple of years. >> >> cheers, >> egmont >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 >> wrote: >> >>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html >>> >>> Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these >>> default settings to be wrong. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mc-devel mailing list >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solarflow99 at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 21:00:34 2016 From: solarflow99 at gmail.com (solarflow99) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:00:34 -0700 Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yes, exactly. thanks for the understanding, this would allow existing behaviour to continue the way it has been for years like you mentioned, I agree with that as well. On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Egmont Koblinger wrote: > Well, I don't :) but I get your point. > > So, to be sure... you're arguing that other_dir should be an exception and > should always be saved, even if the other options aren't? > > cheers, > egmont > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:53 PM, solarflow99 > wrote: > >> I didn't mean to save every change, its just other_dir never saves the >> last directory you were in. It always used to, thats why I felt the new >> behaviour was wrong. I find it really annoying to always lose the >> directory I was in, on the opposite panel, don't you? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Koblinger >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any >>> setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config >>> won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that >>> slowly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or >>> it would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert >>> everything that I change just for a couple of seconds. >>> >>> What makes you think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think >>> there's an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the >>> "wrong". It's a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configurable. >>> >>> I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the default, >>> and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value >>> that's been the default in the last couple of years. >>> >>> cheers, >>> egmont >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 >>> wrote: >>> >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html >>>> >>>> Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these >>>> default settings to be wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mc-devel mailing list >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yury at shurup.com Wed Apr 27 05:51:47 2016 From: yury at shurup.com (Yury V. Zaytsev) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:51:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, solarflow99 wrote: > yes, exactly. thanks for the understanding, this would allow existing > behaviour to continue the way it has been for years like you mentioned, > I agree with that as well. So, if one doesn't want other_dir to be saved automatically (like me), how do you propose to achieve this if the current behavior is modified such that it is excluded from panel autosave option? Introduce yet another micro-option specifically for other_dir? Right now, it's quite straightforward: you either get all or nothing. You like the state being carried over? Enable autosave, which is available as an option, but not on by default. You don't want this? Keep it off. You propose to decouple this for some chosen option, that is other_dir, and then we'll surely get someone complaining that he wants to be able to turn it off, so now we'll have to introduce yet another option ("carry over other_dir" and "carry over all other state"). How about just enabling autosave and letting it be? Or else, try mc^2 ;-) -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev From mdooligan at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 09:21:06 2016 From: mdooligan at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:21:06 -0700 Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57208482.4030009@gmail.com> We're talking about default fresh install settings. I don't like mc saving settings unless I tell it, also. But to make things easy for new users, what should the default setting be? I vote for auto-save. It makes mc "seem" smart. -- Peace and Cheer From solarflow99 at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 07:55:50 2016 From: solarflow99 at gmail.com (solarflow99) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 00:55:50 -0700 Subject: small request In-Reply-To: <57208482.4030009@gmail.com> References: <57208482.4030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Perhaps having something like "save directory paths", "other-dir" or similar as Paul mentioned could be added with the default to just be ON. This could always be overridden by unchecking it and saving settings. But no one will ever complain about having this back because no one complained until it was lost when mc 4.8 came out :) Would this really be too hard? We're talking about default fresh install settings. I don't like mc saving settings unless I tell it, also. But to make things easy for new users, what should the default setting be? I vote for auto-save. It makes mc "seem" smart. -- Peace and Cheer _______________________________________________ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egmont at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 08:15:49 2016 From: egmont at gmail.com (Egmont Koblinger) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:15:49 +0200 Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: <57208482.4030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 9:55 AM, solarflow99 wrote: > Perhaps having something like "save directory paths", "other-dir" or > similar as Paul mentioned could be added with the default to just be ON. > This could always be overridden by unchecking it and saving settings. > This is complicated. Not especially to implement, but to present on the UI in a manner that's obvious to users. So, you'd move one single option to the realm of another config. How about also boundling current_is_left with this option? Why, or why not? How about all the other options? What if someone else wants a different option to be saved upon exit? Will we introduce another meta-option for them? Where would the new option "save directory paths" belong? Would this option itself be saved according to the already existing "auto-save setup" or according to itself? But no one will ever complain about having this back because no one > complained until it was lost when mc 4.8 came out :) > (Assuming it was indeed changed with 4.8) no one except you complained about it for the last 4.5 years, which is also a good way to measure the importance of such an option. While I understand your request and the rationale behind it, I'm really uncertain that mc should move in this direction. How about, for the time being, you enable auto-save and create a simple wrapper script for yourself that replaces your mc configs (restores everything except for other_dir) before starting up mc? I'm also thinking that _if_ we're indeed concerned that this and only this particular option deserves a special treatment, I'm wondering whether other_dir is better to be remembered globally or per-terminal. Maybe the latter, in which case we might go towards "mc -P" printing it in a certain format, and mc.sh storing it in an environment variable (somewhat similar concept to how the current directory is handled now)... cheers, egmont > Would this really be too hard? > > We're talking about default fresh install settings. I don't like mc saving > settings unless I tell it, also. But to make things easy for new users, > what should the default setting be? > > I vote for auto-save. It makes mc "seem" smart. > > > -- > Peace and Cheer > _______________________________________________ > mc-devel mailing list > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel > > _______________________________________________ > mc-devel mailing list > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yury at shurup.com Thu Apr 28 08:28:06 2016 From: yury at shurup.com (Yury V. Zaytsev) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:28:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: <57208482.4030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Egmont Koblinger wrote: > How about, for the time being, you enable auto-save and create a simple > wrapper script for yourself that replaces your mc configs (restores > everything except for other_dir) before starting up mc? In my opinion, this is really where mc^2 shines. If and when we'll be able to merge it in, it will finally make it possible to get rid of so many crap micro-options that we've been dragging along for such a long time... -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev From srainwater at ncc.com Thu Apr 28 23:40:23 2016 From: srainwater at ncc.com (Steve Rainwater) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:40:23 -0500 Subject: small request In-Reply-To: References: <57208482.4030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1461886823.2913.19.camel@ncc.com> On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 10:15 +0200, Egmont Koblinger wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 9:55 AM, solarflow99 > wrote: > > But no one will ever complain about having this back because no > > one complained until it was lost when mc 4.8 came out :) > > > (Assuming it was indeed changed with 4.8) no one except you > complained about it for the last 4.5 years, which is also a good way > to measure the importance of such an option. If we're talking about mc forgetting what directory it was in, I'm pretty sure I complained about it when that broke. I think I filed a bug in the Fedora/RedHat bugzilla thinking it was just a distro bug rather than an intentional change in mc's code. I can't seem to find a link to the bug now but if it's been more than a year, it might have been closed as a wontfix after a new Fedora rev came out.? -Steve